And with all this research you are only proving yourself wrong because NONE OF YOUR SOURCES say that M was a Muslim Convert, rather, they say, Mahidevran, daughter of Abdullah. 2003:6A:6851:3301:2906:2827:AE05:4542 (talk) 03:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], All the references can be found here [13]. Either way, this was another significant break from established customs, as Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror had specifically issued a decree to the effect that no women would be allowed to reside in the same building where government affairs were conducted. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with the latest proposal. Hatun is used for every other lady in Turkish and Persian language. Therefore, Suleiman had to announce that he sent Mustafa to the Persian border for safety reasons. Hurrem's birth name is unknown. Hurrem has usually been held at least partly responsible for the intrigues in nominating a successor. Some sources say she moved to Topkap, not because of the fire, but as a result of her marriage to Suleiman. Now Mahidevran became a chief consort as a mother of the only prince in the Empire. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her first son (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Who were her parents? She learns about the pregnancy of Nigar Kalfa through Gulsah and she informs Hatice Sultan of his husband's unfaithfulness. The show was originally supposed to open last week With Christmas around the corner, Age Concern South Canterburys Friday Club celebrated by holding a traditional Christmas dinner for its members last Friday. [11] After the wedding, the idea circulated that the sultan had limited his autonomy and was dominated and controlled by his wife. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. No need to change the title. You did not saw that did you? He was a talented soldier from his childhood. [16]:130 Suleiman and Hurrem's last child, ehzade Cihangir was born with a hunchback, but by that time Hurrem had borne enough healthy sons to secure the future of the Ottoman dynasty. Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. [33] Cihangir, Hurrem's youngest child, allegedly died of grief a few months after the news of his half-brother's murder. The reason I call for a page title is to respect Ottoman customs and history, nothing more. I got this text from this reference if anyone have an actual book name to cite then please update. Including those of John Freely. [6] 113.203.150.188 (talk) 02:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Popular culture and Ottoman court etiquette are two different things. :P Well, like I said, all these efforts prove nothing but if you are convinced read may latest comments on my last reply; "you may add the word slave to Origins if you are still convinced but must also use the term "possibly" along with it to maintain a NPOV." Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I beg to differ, in many books (arts, literature whatever you may call) she has been known as Sultana. In 1541, when Mehmet (Hrrems first son) reached the proper age to be local governor, tensionsbetween two women rose again. Who thought it was acceptable to post this? Best:) - Worldandhistory (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mahidevran Sultan in Trke Bilgi = tr:Meahidevran Sultan in Turkish Wikipedia. Yes, it was and the series shouldve put more emphasis on Valide Sultanas criticism of her behaviour. Hurrem and Mahidevran really did fight, but 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], "Denying a deceased person of its possible title" you just put yourself in evidence here. On the contrary, I sympathize with Mahidevran Hatun. Life in a Sultans harem was not glamorous and it certainly wasnt about love. Mahidevran ga [20] She pleads with the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by word of mouth. Check your inbox or spam folder to confirm your subscription. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], We see that Birinci Kadin is what a woman who has bore a first child; you're overlooking what I said: it was Hurrem who married legally Suleyman and broke the 200 hundred tradition, not Mahidevran; in any case, she can't be called a sultana. She was the grandmother of Murad III. Since the empire lacked, until the reign of Ahmed I (16031617), any formal means of nominating a successor, successions usually involved the death of competing princes in order to avert civil unrest and rebellions. Whatever sources we can find, half of them supports the Hatun theory, the other half supports Sultan theory. In one of her letters to Suleiman, she informs him about the situation of the plague in the capital. Mahidevran, concubine of Suleiman the Magnificent Birth Place: Bosporus, Turkey Birthday: 1500 Death Date: February 3, 1581(age 81) 256 0 15. Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Crown. During the start of 15th century, the Ottoman dynasty was taking over the territories of its rivals more rapidly than before. And I have an interesting video for the newer.Today I want to tell you about Mahidevran Sultan, who she really is.Mahidevran Sultan is the mother of Shehzade Mustafa. However, I added ""the most convincing theory"" was wrong I admit, therefore, I have changed that. Copyright 2023 | MH Magazine WordPress Theme by MH Themes. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Your yet another personal comment attack proves that it's not the History you're worried about but your own opinion. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 01:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Actually you are the one making subjective propositions here. Mahidevran Turbesi6.jpg 315 470; 18 KB. Basic Books. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. Does the translation really say she was from Euboea?? 190.218.117.86 (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The thing is, unlike yours, I'm not fabricating a theory! 8:02Am Jun 6, 2017 morning to take a look at it dazzling performances that the Inbetweener on the film, the voice behind the character Wallace who h She wasn't able to smile as she once did, and she didn't show much generosity towards her At age 26 Suleiman takes the throne. Leslie P. Peirce has written that it may have been either Anastasia, or Aleksandra Lisowska. Just Skip that Cariye part as everyone knows even the princesses who were lawfully wedded to Sultans of Ottoman dynasty, Shah Jehans of Mughal emperors and Sheikhs of Arab, were all considered slave to their husbands. In fact, Suleiman was afraid of his eldest sons power. In a letter to Philip II of Spain, the painter claims to have sent him a copy of this "Queen of Persia" in 1552. [49] Artists Titian, Melchior Lorich, and Sebald Beham were all influential in creating a visual representation of Roxelana. Best R. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2, your provided sources does not particularly points at M's father. Two of her letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (reigned 15481572) have survived, and during her lifetime the Ottoman Empire generally had peaceful relations with the Polish state within a PolishOttoman alliance. Later, Hurrem became the first woman to remain in the sultan's court for the duration of her life. Where are the administrators of this page anyway? Instead, he attended it. I asked you to provide a source calling M's father Abdullah a Slave. This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. For the record, The books I referred are History books, recalled by actual accounts, I didn't cite a popular history book or a theater play. She's a hatun, not a legal wife, still had similar privilege as a haseki, her son didn't become sultan: all the facts point to her not being officially a sultana. Reply[reply], Sort it out. 12-14 George Street Her greatest philanthropical work was the Great Waqf of AlQuds, a large soup kitchen in Jerusalem that fed the poor. Bas kadin literally means "Head Woman", and if this "head woman" status didn't exist at that time then why she has been referred as "Ba kadin" or Birinci kadin by numerous books? Amasya was one of the farthest provinces from the capital. She was not a sultana, she was a Birinci Kadin , therefore if any "royal title" should be used to her name it should be that; this is highly misleading and causes conflict with Ottoman history. In 1543, right after the sudden death of Prince Mehmet, the womens war started upagain. 113.203.146.216 (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Phso2, this debate seems to be infinitely long, and diverting the focus from this article to Peirce's book. She was the chief consort of Suleiman before the appearance of Hrrem Sultan. At his mothers funeral, Murad was supposed to remain in the palace during the funeral. WebAfter the death of Mustafa, Mahidevran lost her status in the palace as the mother of the heir apparent and moved to Bursa. This page was last edited on 16 January 2023, at 12:59. Thank you From Khondoker Jobair. Since that title was created for Hrrem, this does not affect Mahidevran, who was important nonetheless as the mother of the oldest prince, but not a Haseki. It is believed that Hurrem's influence contributed to Suleiman's decision. Moreover, she is referred to as "Mahidevran Sultan" in popular history books, TV series and touristic literature. Museum of Turkish and Islamic Arts, The Hagia Sophia Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse built in 1556, Haseki Sultan of Suleiman the Magnificent, Content in this edit is translated from the existing Turkish Wikipedia article at. Acting on Hurrem Sultan's orders, Rustem Pasha had engraved Mustafa's seal and sent a letter seemingly written from his mouth to Shah Tahmasb I, and then sent Shah's response to Suleiman. There was a seal on the back of the letter. My name is Moniek and I am from the Netherlands. It is clear by your statement that you're being subjective about this: you're looking for an excuse rather than solid facts to call Mahidevran a sultana. I already gave you all evidence, but you insist on calling her a sultana because you "assume" Birinci Kadin and Sultan mean the same: they are applied to concubine and legal wife accordingly and therefore don't mean the same. The Tatars may have first taken her to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the Ottoman slave trade, before she was taken to Istanbul. If it was up to people making subjective propositions for every wikipedia page, then there would be millions of the same subject; there can't be 6 billion wikipedia pages of the sun, there can't be 6 billion pages wikipedia pages of earth, and of course there can't be 6 billion pages of Mahidevran. I dont see why someone should expand these articles as seen from the title and the heated discussion on chief consort below that even sources are not enough and I just cant do such long discussions. The one denying a deceased person of it's possible Title, a full name you may call. Peirce, Leslie (2017). The original caption is only "sultana" and there is no reference to Rosne Pranvere. Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. Categories: 1500 births. But with the same decree, Mustafa was appointed to govern Konya (middle Anatolia). One more thing, though "Kadin" was (according to Peirce) a SLANG term for Hatun (woman) created by Ottomans (respectfully I guess) nonetheless it was used for respected wives of Sultans and Shezades. Hurrem and Mahidevran were 2 main consorts. I guess the authors were inspired by Illuminatis;) (just a joke, no offense) Anyway, I can't argue with you, I can only simply ask for an admin's attention to all of your WP:OR. Jobair khondoker (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], "But Leslie P. Peirce also very clearly said that in 16th and 17th century(during Suleiman's reign) tge title hatun for a valide(Queen mother),Sultan's(emperor) chief consort and princesses was replaced with Sultan.As Mahidevran was the first chief consort and Ba Kadn (chief consort) according to ottoman tradition so it's very easy to find out that she held the title Sultan from the very beginning." [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. If you are not convinced we can try to get this on reliable sources noticeboard. And there is lots of lots of doubts about the title of this woman. She was the first imperial consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. Best. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2: Two of your sources are at stake (Colin Iber's and Peirce's), please read page 136 of Colin's book, this gives definition of Slave in general term, so calling any member of Sultan's family a slave does not necessarily makes them a slave by origin, and P simply used a text from Alberi, P herself only called M a concubine. Also, she became an important symbol of how ottoman consorts never had a permanent position in Harem and politics as it was only after Mahidevran with whom the Ottoman started respecting their royal consorts, it is obvious, that when Hurrem Sultan was given such elevation the same time the mother of heir apparent was alive and living in the Harem, that Mahidevran was also considered as Sultan's family member and hence the title. While "XXX son of Abdullah" maybe a son of a convert slave, you cannot say that Khalid son of Abdullah or Hussein son of Abdullah are also slaves. And it's not "my" idea of history, I'm respecting the facts; if anyone's fabricating their own fantasy is you with your admitted speculations and possibilities.. Don't even start to talk about facts when the come from a theatre play. [22] Nurbanu died in December 1583. [16]:131 After Hrrem resided at Topkap it became known as the New Palace (saray- jedid).[28]. "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. Not only is the phrasing leaving much to be desired, the conclusion is also a subjective speculation presented as a fact. [38] She built a public soup kitchen in Makkah.[11]. Most other sixteenth-century Western sources on Hurrem, which are considered highly authoritative today such as Turcicae epistolae (English: The Turkish Letters) of Ogier de Busbecq, the Emissary of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I at the Porte between 1554 and 1562; the account of the murder of ehzade Mustafa by Nicholas de Moffan; the historical chronicles on Turkey by Paolo Giovio; and the travel narrative by Luidgi Bassano derived from hearsay.[11]. That's very funny!!! Depriving someone of their last name or title for your own satisfaction is NOT just, it's highly misleading and causes conflict with Ottoman history. Mustafa became verypopular in the region under the guidance of his mother. 'the Ruthenian one'; c. 1500 15 April 1558), also known as Hurrem Sultan (Turkish pronunciation:[hym sutan], Ottoman Turkish: , romanized:urrem Suln, Modern Turkish: Hrrem Sultan), was the chief consort and legal wife of the Ottoman sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Learn more about merges. She wrote many love letters to Suleiman when he was away for campaigns. In 1521, Mustafa became chief prince due to his half-brothers deaths. commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit Unless we have another source which gives us the sketch of positions of Sultan's consorts in Harem, the WEB SITE can be cited, because there is no mentioning of consort's positions and their status in their master's harem in Leslie's book. Try google, or any other Deep Web search engine, you can see dozens if not hundreds of books, journals and non-commercial websites that refferred to Mahidevran as Kadin or Sultan (sources dating back to 17th century - I say this because you probably would say they have been written by Turkish soap opera's fans) whereas Gulfem, Fulane, and Gulnisa, all consorts are mentioned by title Hatun. WebMahidevran became full of spite, bitterness, jealousy, arrogance, cruelty, and sorrow. At that time Mustafa was the third son of Suleiman, without significant importance. She probably acted as the sultan's advisor, wrote diplomatic letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (r.15481572) and patronized major public works (including the Haseki Sultan Complex and the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse). [17], Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, partially suppressed the rivalry between the two women. He was accused of collaborating with the Shah and was executed in the battle camp. These princesses, were destined to be gifted (in other words sold) by their ruling fathers to their higher or equivalent ranking rulers, kings and grand Vazirs (ministers). The consorts were never to return to Istanbul unless their sons succeeded to the throne. However, some argue that she has Albanian roots. Manisa was the most important province, and according to the tradition, only the favourite prince could be appointed there. After the executions, Mahidevran moved to Bursa to build a proper grave for her son and lived there until her death in 1581. Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E8:8BCE:C01:ED43:4385:BB24:1ABE (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply], (moved from user TP) Memorial ID. I even request the deletion of dubious page of her alleged father but you are not admitting that you may be wrong here. [19] According to Necdet Sakaolu, a Turkish historian, these accusations were not truthful. Magnificent century (Muhtesem Yuzy by I heart Duncan James. Specially every Circassion origin theory. She imprinted her seal and watched the council meetings through a wire mesh window. Interviews of "alleged descendant" are not reliable sources for an history article, and the burden of demonstrating their reliability falls upon the editor who want to introduce them, as is written at WP:INTERVIEWS. Also, a Sultana was a woman in Sultan's family, being a mother of heir apparent living in the Harem at the same time the title Haseki was used for Hurrem, it can be asserted that she was also called Sultana, due to the fact that in her time (when Hurrem came along) Sultana title was already started being used for royal consorts regardless if they were haseki or not, see example of Mahfiruz Hatice Sultan, who was niether haseki nor Valide. [11], Even the reports of the Venetian ambassadors (baili) at Suleiman's court, the most extensive and objective first-hand Western source on Hurrem to date, were often filled with the authors own interpretations of the harem rumours. The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death, which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", "suicide", and "homicide", each with different legal implications. Thank you.113.203.163.165 (talk) 11:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think both theories are correct, general logic can be used in Wikipedia IF the sources available contradicts each other, but even if she was called Sultan there is no need to mention it in the Title. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Mahidevran was chief consort as a mother of the oldest surviving son of Suleiman the Magnificent. However, if you feel otherwise, you could always simply revert the changes or add the "unreliable source" template with reasoning. Mahidevran could hardly have predicted Hurrem Sultans success. Her supposed rivals relationship with Suleiman (r. 15201566) was unprecedented, a Hope you understand. Mahidevran and Mustafa lost one more time, now Selim (the second son of Hrrem) became the governor of the Manisa. The Venetian painter Titian is reputed to have painted Hurrem Sultan in 1550. After the death of Suleiman's other sons and his ascension to the throne in 1520 she acquired the rank of mother of the Sultan's eldest son. Mahidevran's name ( Turkish pronunciation: [mahidevan], Persian: ) means "one who is always beautiful", "one whose beauty never fades" or "beauty of the times" in Persian. And for your information, she wasn't the mother, sister, aunt or main wife of the sultan: she wasn't a sultana, even when a theatre play calls her that. In the Istanbul harem, Hurrem became a rival to Mahidevran and her influence over the sultan soon became legendary. Here are some sources (regardless of their nature) they contradicts the motion that she wasn't called Sultan. Of these, Mahidevran's son Mustafa was the eldest and preceded Hurrem's children in the order of succession. Selim II (r. 15661574) likely never held anything against Mahidevran personally. She was his mothers rival, not his. Selim II, as depicted in a m If you ask about Istanbul, the city still suffers from the plague; however, it is not like the previous one. 113.203.158.58 (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I request a change of title, to revert it back to its original name (which was only "Mahidevran") and maintain its protected status. Why not any other Hatun has that article differences. Even so, a Sultan was NOT allowed to have more than 4 Kadins at a time (Brinci Kadin, Ba Kadn or Sultan Kadin was the first ranking wife), but can have as much concubines as he liked. 1540. In this case, Suleiman not only broke the old custom, but began a new tradition for the future Ottoman sultans: To marry in a formal ceremony and to give their consorts significant influence on the court, especially in matters of succession. [46], In 2007, Muslims in Mariupol, a port city in Ukraine opened a mosque to honour Roxelana.[47]. I'll sing your praises always [41] Hurrem was also intelligent and had a pleasant personality. Also I would like to repeat a point I made earlier, the interview with her alleged descendant cannot be overlooked. Despite Mahidevrans warnings, he stayed in close contact with the other princes. Hurrem later managed to become the Haseki Sultan or "favorite concubine" of the Ottoman imperial harem. 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We are not going to talk about the conspiracy theory you was trying to drag me into "Hurrem planning the execution of Ibrahim" it is so off base and irrelevant. WebMahidevran Turbesi3.jpg 315 470; 22 KB. These incidents launched a series of events which culminated in his execution in 1536 by Suleiman's order. Friday Social Amazing volunteers host Christmas dinner. All these authors could've have used this phrase simply because they didn't know what the real father's name was, like I said "this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty." Why does she have sultan next to her name? And you said that her being called Hatun or NOT being called Sultana is a Fact. In 1561, three years after Hurrem's death, the French author Gabriel Bounin wrote a tragedy titled La Soltane. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Also, let's not forget that many of those artistic/theatrical depictions are based on rumors and fictitious creations for the sake of entertainment. According to him, Mahidevran Sultan was the daughter of Prince Idar Temryuk.Was it really so? Her love of poetry is considered one of the reasons behind her being heavily favoured by Suleiman, who was a great admirer of poetry. Hurrem's salary was 2,000 aspers a day, making her one of the highest-paid Hasekis. Because none of these people neither Ottomans nor foreign visitors were permitted into the inner circle of the imperial harem, which was surrounded by multiple walls, they largely relied on the testimony of the servants or courtiers or on the popular gossip circulating around Istanbul. I am giving you answer about Mahidevran Sultan's rank.According to reliable sources it is confirmed that Mahidevran Sultan was Suleiman's Bas kadin(chief consort or chief lady).This was for those women who bore the eldest male child of reigning Sultan.As Mahidevran Sultan was the mother of Sehzade Mustafa,eldest son of Suleiman the magnificent,it is very logical that she held the rank Bas kadin or Birinci Kadin,it's from me which is logical. But at the end of the day, that's all irrelevant. On the case of Roxelana, it was a nickname she was given that didn't elevate or lowered her status and wasn't a direct reflection of Ottoman culture but more of the influence she had on history. The information given in this page reveals that despite being called addressed as a sultana she wasn't one, and before that edit came to be the page addressed her as hatun (and many others too [1] ), which is also a title she's been given in other sources. 16th-century women. Worldandhistory (talk) 00:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], You did not answer my first point, no where in the article does it say she belonged to a noble family, the article is now free from any claims of her being scion, the article simply focuses on her origins. Popular culture is defined from what had actually happened in the past, the existence of this woman wasn't thousand of years ago that we can assume the popular culture has adopted "myths". [9], During the reign of Selim I,[10] which means some time between 1512 and 1520, Crimean Tatars kidnapped her during one of their CrimeanNogai slave raids in Eastern Europe. Something that interests me is how a popular notion can sound very appealing. First of all, many claims as to what happened in the harem are comple Otherwise, you could always simply revert the changes or add the unreliable... It turned out to be a certain Said Perizad Temryukoglu fact, Suleiman had to announce that sent! 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